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Aftermarket stereo lost my tcs.

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I bought my daughter a 2012 fiesta se. when I got it, the car had a non-functioning aftermarket stereo installed. I bought a new aftermarket stereo for it in the hope that she could have a touch screen and backup camera. After I got the stereo installed, she drove it for a week and now the tcs has gone out. Traction control light is on, traction control off light is on and hill assist light is on all signaling an electrical issue. My mechanic said it was because of the new stereo. How do I fix this issue?
 

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To affect TCS (Traction control) they'd have to tap into wiring - else the TCS is separate from the Audio system - Ford put in a Audio System head unit that talks to the main console dash (the amber or mono-colored hexadecimal display on the front dash between the seats...) so 2013 an later years they used SYNC as a stand alone to control the communication that you used to have with that keypad on the front panel just above the climate control.

Now if they cut into wiring harnesses and affected main console display and it's menu functions - the TCS turning itself off, that is a different story, for the APIM, that display module in the center console dash - if it cant talk to the other systems or it doesn't exist - whats left of the system will start shutting things down.

How are you able to know the Hill Assist (since it only works on the APIM console display) is even down?

Then it is time to find a newer Ford Audio system module (that radio) and put one in that is of the same year - otherwise the aftermarket will be the only option you've got and it's not good for compatibility.

It might help us to know what they did to install that aftermarket radio - can you possibly post a photo of what you're up against?
 
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Handy Andy,
Thanks for the response. I will post a couple photos as soon as I have a chance.

The hill assist light is on, the tics light is on as well as the tcs “off” light. Power steering is gone. My mechanic says it is from the new stereo that was installed. Strangely, the old aftermarket stereo that was in the car, and didn’t work, did not cause a problem and the tics worked fine. I bought the stereo from crutchfield, and their tech had no idea that the factory stereo communicated with the tcs through the display on the center of the dash. I’ve tried to find a wiring diagram that would show which wires could be an issue for the tcs, but haven’t had any luck.
 

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It does, using CAN-BUS system...

I’ve tried to find a wiring diagram that would show which wires could be an issue for the tcs, but haven’t had any luck.
The center console display is the "Head unit" for that communication system - the Ford Audio Head unit (just below and in the dash behind that panel) communicates to it using a serial communication link much like how modems work (No not touch tone but more like a keypad to a calculator) - only it doesn't dial up - it just talks back and forth to it and many others things including the Instrument cluster. So it would not have SYNC.

There used to be a trick to press and Hold the OK/MENU button to toggle the keypad into several different modes to communicate to the system - Crutchfield was one of those units that has this feature.

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Now if the above does not help, and the Crutchfield unit seems to be OK. Either replacing the dash radio and console with the OEM version for that year if its possible - or you may have another issue with a simple fuse either pulled or is blown.

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It's not far and it won't make you late.

You just have to know how the Radio was wired in, check those fuses, and there are others that affect ABS braking that when blown or pulled by a users actions, will affect the TCS light and it's operation.

If you are comfortable with the TCS (Traction Control System) being off, then you have nothing to worry about except when you sell it or you have an accident - you might need to explain why this was done. Else the Traction Control System is supposedly passive, but it's controlled by ABS, which, by law, works all the time, the TCS is just there to help in skids and loss-of-control moments.

It's when you pull the ABS fuse, that is where you may get into trouble. There are several systems that handle the ABS braking and are fused separately and power the ABS system as part of the redundancy. TCS is just one aspect of the ABS system that allows and it's programmed for, independent control of a wheel it thinks is spinning, not spinning as the same rate, or the vehicle is in a Yaw, pitch and rotation moment, thru the wheel sensors and SRS motion-sensor system as detected.

So the TCS responds to that input and tells the system what to do and (in it's programming) how to fix it. With several solutions - up to and including throttle off - so that means, in it's thinking - in the days of old, the ABS system was designed that you should have the brakes on and you're steering input is all that is left for you to handle the skid - the TCS tries to keep all the wheels rotating the same speed - if your moving forward and still on the throttle, more than being in a slide-to-slide (fishtail) or in a spin by using those sensors as senses. Typical older-method of using these sensors makes ABS dumb compared to this - so think of the TCS as an evolution of the ABS system into a more advanced form of braking - it's handling the wheel it thinks it's in, as if it was in a skid - loss of control moment.

However, it also can control power being applied to the pavement - so it also tries to affect the throttle. Reducing the power being applied to the drive wheels - slowing it down to help you regain control. OR if your stopped - preventing you from going into a skid as you start to move, because the wheels are not all moving equally.

It applies the TCS controls until you regain forward motion and speed - then it releases so you can drive normally - as if you're out of danger.

(By it's thinking) This action, For some people, this puts them in more of a dangerous condition of panic for it can make matters worse if you know what you're supposed to do. This becomes a training issue - for if you're used to being in control of a vehicle and know how to control it in any form of a skid - the vehicle's reaction in trying to take over the operation when you're not ready or anticipating it to act one way and it goes in another - can put you in a crash due to that reaction - caused by inputs on both parties. (You, using your senses and the Vehicle using it's sensors)

However, with TCS on, the vehcile is fighting you in your effort of controlling it (your vehicle) because it's trying to control something that you're doing and it's not releasing the control for you to complete the action. This is one of the many reasons why Traction Control toggle on or off is still offered - even in the Fiesta - but someone pulled a fuse or that fuse blew due to the radio being installed - the system is pernamently disabled so that light on the dash is on - it's turned on by the systems it controls or uses - it's no longer talking to them.

The only reason why this is being mentioned is that many a sport enthusiast like to be in control of their vehicle - so take it or leave it - it may just be caused by a blown fuse they used to get power from to handle the Radio or a pulled fuse by a user that owned this vehicle before you got it and it's reflected on your dashboard showing you a system has been disabled.
 
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